and jim brann of the stop the war coalition told us a bit earlier in the program that simply put the ongoing violence in iraq is an extension of the devastating war the level of violence has never. gone back to what it was ten years ago after the war and talking about it's never return to that there's been terrible periods of around two thousand and six and against that things are much better but otherwise the level of violence is constant it's all clearly a consequence of the invasion ten years ago these things the level of sectarian violence for example has no history like that in modern iraq. whatever the situation was like in iraq before two thousand and three the fact is that we have an unprecedented situation today and the single cause of that is the war and the occupation and these are these are the remnants of it. there was no process there was no iraq. for example if you look at libya you find that the libyans did not decide the future of libya it was outside military intervention and what you have is extreme instability and so on and that's a parallel with the wrong. ok str